Both Craib and Messina told investigators that Eckstein got
them to go along with the alleged manipulations of Livent's books
by explaining that it was common practice among other public
companies. In both cases, Eckstein allegedly told the accountants
that the same type of manipulations were used in the late 1980s
at Loblaws when Eckstein was director of retail accounting at
National Groccers Co. Ltd, a Loblaws subsidiary.
Messina told RCMP investigators that she was shocked, and
confronted Eckstein when she saw that Livent accountants had
transformed a $20 million loss into a $5.6 million profit. "And
he made very light of it and he started to laugh," according to
the RCMP transcript Edward Greenspan showed the court. "He said,
Maria, everybody does this
It's nothing. We used to do it at
Loblaws
Everyone plays around with the quarters, smooth income a
little bit. It's nothing,"
But on the stand, Eckstein said he never witnessed any illegal
accounting at Loblaws, only that he considered the grocery
company's treatment of some accounting items as "aggressive." And
as for the conversation with Messina, he merely made up the
references to Loblaws and others engaging in the same practices.
"I was just trying to calm her down, to placate her," he told the
court.
Tony Fiorino, Livent's former theatre controller, had another
name for Eckstein: Teflon man. Fiorino told investigators that
nothing stuck to Eckstein. He would blame underlings for mistakes
in the company's books and blame senior managers for the fraud
that was occurring at the company. "Nothing that happened at this
company was your fault," Edward Greenspan told Eckstein. "That's
not what I said," Eckstein shot back. "It was clear to everyone
that the manipulation was coming down from Mr. Drabinsky, Mr.
Gottlieb and Topol
It was my fault for following that."